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40. Charlie Hoehn | Facing Your Shadow and the Free Work Revolution

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Charlie Hoehn has one hell of a resume. Currently, he is the head of Multimedia for Scribe Media. He is the author of three books, including Play It Away, which Tony Robbins called the “cure to your stress” and was Tim Ferriss’s first employee and Director of Special Projects. Together, they edited and launched The 4-Hour Body to #1 on the New York Times Bestseller list and #1 Amazon Most Sold.

He has also worked with Seth Godin, Ramit Sethi, and Tucker Max.

To top it all off, he’s done four TEDx talks and his ideas on work-life integration have been featured in more than 50 media outlets.

Show Notes:

  • Intro: Arman sets the stage and provides background on Charlie, how they met and the topic of today’s episode. [00:12]
  • Arman and Charlie talk about fear. [04:19]
  • How do you define success when it comes to marriage? [17:07]
  • Becoming a parent. [17:29]
  • The shadow self and turning towards the parts of your inner world that you’ve resisted. [20:03]
  • Anxiety and depression. [22:29]
  • Resisting the expression of painful emotions. [25:46]
  • MDMA therapy, psilocybin research, trauma treatment and dealing with triggers in a healthy way. [30:20]
  • When you gamify facing the shadow. [37:39]
  • The danger of unconsciously projecting out pain from the wounded parts of you. [38:22]
  • Creating a deep sense of curiosity and excitement around things that scare you. [47:47]
  • Alchemizing your pain and turning it into your superpower. [48:10]
  • Controlling your emotional reaction. [50:01]
  • Arman talks about the story of meeting Lewis Howes and the mindset of leading with value. [57:14]
  • Charlie talks about bursting in like the Kool-Aid man through the wall when you’re going after opportunities you want. [01:02:10]
  • Doing free work can open up doors and build relationships that can change your life. [01:14:55]
  • Inspiring closing thoughts. [01:25:14]


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