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61. Mark Goulston | World Famous Psychiatrist on Depression, Suicide, and the Power of Hope

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Dr. Mark Goulston is originally a UCLA professor of psychiatry for over 25 years, and a former FBI and police hostage negotiation trainer. His expertise has been forged and proven in the crucible of real-life, high-stakes situations.

Mark is an influencer who helps influencers become more influential, his unique background has made him an indispensable and sought-after resource and change facilitator to Fortune 500 leaders, entrepreneurs, and educators across the nation.

Show notes:

  • Intro: Arman sets the stage and provides a brief background on Mark, how they met, and the topic of today’s episode (0:00)
  • #Thankful 2021. What are you grateful for today? (2:03)
  • What connection looks like with your family, it’s not just about doing chores together (6:54)
  • Suicide prevention: How to know when your kid is not doing okay and how to get through to kids who say they are fine (11:02)
  • How to use Surgical Empathy to aid suicidal people or those in dark places (13:11)
  • How Mark’s book “Why Cope When You Can Heal” can help health care workers win the war against PTSD (19:21)
  • The pros and cons of using psychedelics or MDMAs to heal from PTSD (25:19)
  • Dr. Goulston’s powerful style of helping people heal from PTSD without using any external treatment aid (28:34)
  • The degrees of trauma and why healing differs in various individuals (36:15)
  • The two graphics and two responses of looking back on our trauma (39:46)
  • How to support someone who is having suicidal thoughts so they feel safe to tell you how they really feel (44:35)
  • One of the most powerful experience Mark has ever had with a suicidal person (1:01:08)
  • Inspiring closing thoughts (1:09:07)



‘A house is not a home even if it’s a huge house. A home is where people are connecting to each other.’

‘Stop throwing solutions when there is a problem. Throwing solutions without properly solving a problem will make it impossible for them to connect with you’

‘When you ask your kid, “how are you doing?” and they say, “Great”, that means they’re doing good. If they say, “fine”, then they’re not okay.’

‘Where there is a way that is doable by you, you will find the will to do it’


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